My name is Carl Wyman, I’m 22 and my pronouns are she/her.
 
What art form do you gravitate towards most would you say?
 
I mean, more just pen and paper, mixed media. I like playing around with markers and stuff like that. I’ve thought more about exploring into textiles or something mores sculptural, at least when I have more space to do something like that ya know?
 
Was visual art your first form of self-expression or did it start somewhere else for you?
 
No, I didn’t think I could really be good at art when I was younger so it wasn’t something I took a lot of passion in. I guess maybe a little bit when I was younger and in middle school so I guess it could be considered one of my first, but when I think more of how I really started to express myself it was when I was in high school I did band and theater and that kind of thing; having the confidence of the backgrounds of both of those things I think made me more confident in being able to try art and go at it whatever way I wanted to.
 
I feel like something about your art that stands out to me is the color schemes you tend to gravitate towards. Do you have anything to comment on how you go about picking the colors you use?
 
That’s actually one of the comments I hear the most is like people really like the color palates. Honestly, A lot of times for my pieces I don’t even test the colors out or play with them with each other before I just kind of go for it in the moment. A lot of my art is like that kind of mindset of just kind of going for it and figuring it out later sometimes I do plan out a little bit more but it really is just natural instinct for me to just pick up a pen and go at it. I honestly like to think that I have a really good sense of colors and color theory and what goes well with each other and all that kind of stuff even though I’ve never taken a class so I’m sure I don’t professionally know. 
 
Yeah I was gonna ask about that, what kind of things influenced you to want to create visual art in the first place?
 
I just like playing with colors and seeing how they interact with each other. I mean, I took art classes in elementary school and that was required. I did an art club in middle school, but past that I really didn’t take any high school classes I haven’t done anything professional as a class is what I mean. It was just seeing more and more people just kind of going for it. I went through a couple traumatic events in my life after high school and I feel like that was a fun outlet that was healthy and a good way to just kind of not think; just put colors on paper and play with it and see what I liked with something else and I really think a lot of it came from there because I didn’t really get into art the way that I have until like 2020 which is crazy, it’s only a couple years ago. Ever since then I’ve been able to kind of tweak it a little bit more, play with it a little bit more, and still continue to find that joy and take my breaks when I need to. 
 
When you first started taking it seriously, you were saying early 2020, can you see how your art has transformed in that short amount of time, like the pieces from very early on?
 
Yeah, I have. You can kind of see a progression on my Instagram, not really. I think things have just in my art just progressively gotten busier. I had a comment once from a friend who told me I have too much white in the backgrounds of whatever I’m creating and I was like okay well I’ll tweak around with that a little bit and layer some things up and do what I can on notebook paper so it’s not all white in the background, but yeah I definitely just feel like they’ve gotten busier. I’ve figured out different textures and kind of had to interlay those with one another.
 
Do you have any words to describe the style of art you create?
 
Very eclectic, weird. It’s kind of doodle-like but like amplified, very abstract. I feel like I do want to think about my art a little differently or a little bit deeper but sometimes I feel like it makes it not as fun as just being able to go with it in the moment, but I’d definitely say kind of abstract and kind of doodle-y and I like to use different colors when I can. 
 
It sounds like for choosing your color palate that’s pretty intuitive, would you say what you create like the line work and stuff like that is that something you see in your head first before you do it or is it something where you’re just drawing it and coming up with it as you create it?
 
It depends on the piece, a lot of them are just kind of like I’m just drawing a line here because I want to, but I have had several more intention focused pieces, like a couple years ago I kind of tried to abstractly draw a pair of underwear, getting stickers made out of that actually, it’s one of my favorite pieces that I made just because it was a real challenge for me. 

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So, I am able to achieve something more intention-driven like that but a lot of the times it is especially if I’m just drawing for my own pleasure, it’s just like you know a little doodle there something or other and kind of playing off of what’s already there and building off of it in the moment I guess. Sometimes, I’ll like doodle something in the corner and I’m like damnit, I was supposed to do something a little bit more intention-driven like collected and I just didn’t, but that’s okay because that’s kind of the fun thing too like what I like about what I do is like if I make a mistake it isn’t really a mistake there’s always a way to fix it. There’s always a way to do something else to it. With a lot of art, it’s kind of like that too. You just kind of have to learn to use those mistakes as a strength or you have to work that into your art in your own way. 

 

When do you know that the piece is done? I feel like that’s something I struggle with when I’m creating art. 

 

 It’s really hard, I don’t know sometimes it’s just a feeling I get. A lot of times it’s like okay I feel like this is adequately covered I feel like I have been able to utilize some different textures and shapes kind of on there. In my head, I feel like it’s done when I see the paper is full and whatever that means to me on that day because that can mean completely different things to me on different days, I just kind of let myself be done with it. There was this thing I did last year and the year before too where I would go back on pieces that I had drawn or doodled a year ago in my sketchbook for nothing and then draw over it with my style at the time and it was kind of fun to see both of those contrasting each other.  

 

Can you look at one of your pieces and tell what kind of mental state you were in that day you created it? 

 

A lot of the times I remember when I created it like this guy right here, that piece I know I created when I was getting over limes disease and getting ready for Back Forty part one.​I guess more important pieces I remember I don’t remember like every single doodle but I guess I can get the sense of like oh I was probably at work doing this, or a lot of the times when I’m out and about I’ll try to challenge myself and draw what’s in front of me in like my own style and I can be like oh well I was here when I did that so I must have been here when I did this, this and this. Sometimes I’ll date what I’m doing like if I’m just kind of doodling so I can have that memory there, so most of the time I’d say yeah, not always though. 

 

I know you mentioned that sometimes on any given day like the paper can look full and that’s when you know that you’re done do you think like when the drawing is busier that you feel a little busier when you were making it or is it a little complicated or convoluted than that? 

 

I don’t know like, forgive me if I’m not answering this correctly, but I just like to overwhelm people, you know? I like to think like this is something you are gonna want to stare at for like five minutes and just kind go try to find out every little thing in it. There’s an energy I get, because I’ll do like the first little bit of a drawing, like my first layer, because I’ll kind of do it in different layers depending on how many colors I’m using, if I’m using more colorful detail markers and stuff because that’s my primary medium. Just being able to kind of do it layer by layer and see it build up like it’s exciting, it’s really cool. It’s kind of done one at a time like that, so I never know how it’s going to look like from that first layer to the end. 

 

And the first layer, do you find yourself doing the detailed, smaller kind of coverage work or is it-

 

No, that’s when I’m deciding like the color palates and I’m drawing larger shapes or just like adding more color into the background. I feel like it starts to get like busy, detailed and I feel like captivating once I get in with a smaller detailed marker and are able to work off those colors and the shapes I’ve created by those to kind of create an image in itself. Yeah.  

 

I know that you said this piece here was during like you getting over Lymes disease and stuff, was there a series of your work that kind of fit that theme too?

 

There’s a couple pieces, they all very more intentionally very line-y I guess, because when I got that I was on a trip to Colorado too so when I was on the train there I was trying to draw what I was seeing so there’s like documentation of that trip and then afterwords there’s two pieces, this one on my wall here and another one that kind of stick out in my mind as more of my recovery pieces because when you’re dealing with that all you can do is lay in bed all day so it’s like well alright well I might as well be creative, like I’m tired of looking at my phone, there’s nothing fun to watch on TV so lets do something productive with that.  

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​Yeah, that makes sense. What place or space do you feel most creative in? 

 

Nature, nature. I know that’s like super cliche to say but I do feel like I incorporate a lot of natural shapes into what I already make and when I first started doing art what I did a lot of was just like sitting outside in a park or something and just drawing what I saw in front of me. There’s a piece I never finished and I wish I would’ve. I can’t even find it now, but I was sitting in Marshall out on this little peninsula thing out on the river and there was a bunch of brush and stuff and just drawing that and sitting there for like hours. It was super rewarding to be able see that reflected in my own style and my own state of mind and it translated, you know,  if I put it up to it you’d be able to be like oh okay, I kind of see that and that’s what I’ve been kind of going for. So when I’m outside I definitely like to play around with that a little bit more. I like to go on walks a lot in the summer and like I’ll just stop somewhere and doodle what's ahead of me just to keep that muscle flexed I guess because I don’t like playing with things that are realistic too often that like really challenges me, and like I said before it can be really rewarding to get out of my box like that.  

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So we talked about a physical state, but is there like a prime mental state you like to be in to create or is it something you just find yourself gravitating towards it when you have the time?  

 

I usually just find myself gravitating towards it, when I’m in a darker state of mind it’s definitely something more productive to reach towards rather than being overly emotional or whatever else. It’s more fulfilling and you know, when I’m in that state of mind I’m more willing to be able to be able to project and make my art a little more intentional and you know really try and represent how I’m feeling in that moment or I don’t if I don’t want to and it’s just fun and I can do whatever I want so that’s definitely a better time for me to create but I really just kind of do it when I want to sometimes I’m just doodling when I’m at work or something like that, sometimes its just nice to keep my hands busy. 

Are there any other themes present in your art, besides the recovery kind of art work, are there kind of ages I guess of like oh this is from this stage of life, like covid pieces maybe or- 

 

Yeah, like we’re early but I can you know be able to tell like oh this is from when I first started creating or like this is from, you know there’s a piece I made when I was in a really toxic relationship and I was getting over that and that always reminds me of that moment and that time. Certain pieces tie me back to different times I guess I don’t know stylistically if there’s too much of a difference, I think that there is I don’t know how to necessarily verbalize that besides saying now that things are a bit busier now. I think now when I’m frustrated or like need a way to channel that or want to do something different I’ve gotten more into painting or trying different mediums, trying to do something different just to kind of break up the monotony of what I’ve been doing.  

 

Do you find art to be kind of like a spiritual experience for you? 

 

I should probably treat it as more of a spiritual experience than I do, no it’s just a way to relax, it’s a comfort at this point. It’s something I can go back to that can still bring me joy, I guess. In terms of a spiritual thing, I’m not a very spiritual person, I try to meditate sometimes, that’s about it for me though.  

 

It does sound like it has some sort of healing effect on you, though.  

 

Yeah, like I said I could probably think on it a lot more or treat it more as that way, but yeah, I mean it can be really refreshing, it just depends on how I go at it, sometimes it really pisses me off, sometimes it makes me really happy it's just you know when I’m out of that state of mind it sometimes it's like what I need I’m able to find in it in a way. 

 

 Do you have any pieces you’re working on right now that you’re excited about?

 

 I have a commission I’m about to finish. I’ve been working on for a year and it’s only been a year because everything that could’ve gone wrong during making this has, not only creative block but the original piece I was working on broke so I had to get a new one to work on, then I tried to clear coat it and used white spray paint instead, so excited for that to be done. I really want to start vending again soon, it’s kind of challenging because right now I’m really trying to clean up my set up I want it to be better. I want to have a lot of newer work out because I haven’t vended since Halloween at the Glowhouse was the last show that I vended at. That’s kind of more what I’m working towards right now is being bale to clean that up, look a little bit more professional. I have a lot of new stickers coming out and I still do work on new pieces like day to day it’s just those are more right now for me and the commissions and things that are really what’s taking up my time. I would like to create something new soon to be able to vend or even just show. I showed a canvas at the Kalamazoo Public Library for their mini canvas thing which was honestly mostly for kids but it was really cool to show that and have that up there for a little bit, but yeah. I have some new stuff coming hopefully by the summertime-ish but we’ll see it will be on my instagram either way.  

 

I feel like you’ve been in the music scene for a while, was the art and music scene always so tied together? 

 

I’ve been in the scene for I guess a minute comparatively but not super long I mean I joined at the end of 2019 was when I really started going and I’ve always seen art vended at shows. From what I can remember, that’s kind of an integral thing for them to be able to work together. Past that I don’t really know but a little bit pre-Covid definitely still there was artists at shows. I remember seeing Shane and Noire at shows all the time at shows back then like vending so definitely see people like that. 

 

Are there any specific commissions that you prefer doing or that you enjoy more? 

 

When I go for commissions I don’t really offer something super realistic but I’m just kind of like what color palate and energy are you thinking towards. I had a really fun time making one for my friend Savion. They said they wanted the piece to look like the sun was making love with the sea so I like really tried to play with the colors and all of that and he loved it and it was super fun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like how open that was in a way but it still gave me a kind of direction and when I have a commission like that it makes me happy because it gives me that direction it gives me that challenge but I’m still able to do what I want, so something as simple like the sky and the sea there’s so many ways to make that abstract and make that kind of  your own thing, which I really liked about that.  

So when it comes to selling work at shows and stuff like that, what would be your advice to artists trying to get involved with that?

 

Stay at your table as much as you can. If there’s a band down there you can go down for a couple sets but definitely in between sets and stuff like that you want to be up there, you want to be representing yourself. Make connections, say hi to people, talk to people. That’s how I was able to meet a lot of my friends and stuff like that out here was having those vending opportunities and just kind of putting myself out there. The biggest thing that I learned too is don’t oversell yourself. Vend on a schedule that doesn’t make it so you’re just vending, give yourself time to actually create and be there for yourself and be there at a show and enjoy the environment of being there and not having to worry about vending like a really good balance of that I think is really important on not getting burnt out super quickly either way. That was a really hard one for me to learn. Last fall I was vending at a lot of shows and it was fun but it was also like I’m not being able to enjoy the show the same when I’m just required to be here and represent myself.  

 

And in terms of just like getting a spot to vend at a show in the first place- 

 

You just reach out. That’s the biggest thing, you have to be willing to reach out and accept no as an answer sometimes. I’ve definitely been told that a lot of times, but if you are the first one to reach out to somebody that shows a lot. A lot of the times people organizing these shows, like first of all they do have lives so they are very busy, they are kind of overwhelmed, not overwhelmed but they have to have a lot of communication with the bands and stuff and if you can go out of your way and reach out to them that makes all the difference and it makes it a lot easier for them and for you because all you have to do is ask that question. That’s what I would say just reaching out. 

 

Like DM-ing on Instagram or something like that? 

 

DM-ing on instagram, that’s usually how I do it or like the few rare occasions I see somebody at a show and we have a conversation about that, but yeah.  

 

What do you want people to know about the work that you make? 

 

It’s for fun. Don’t take art too seriously. I think I just want people to take from it that it’s a fun thing for me, a fun thing for them hopefully and just be able to share it. Share your art. I don’t know if there are any huge lessons that need to be learned. I think just like having fun and being okay with bad art is okay too, because I feel sometimes I feel like some of my art is bad art. I feel like a lot of people feel like that from time to time and just like being like okay, alright, whatever, I don’t care though because I like this for me, like that’s all that really matters.  

 

Are there any artists that influence your work? 

 

I’m going to get in trouble right now because I don’t know anything about art history. Local artists inspire me. People in the community inspire me, how they put themselves out there and the avenues they chose to go and also the ways that people are able to go from vending at a house show to vending at like Vintage in the Zoo or something like that or even bigger than that. I think that is super cool and way bigger to me to draw inspiration from than like some old person I don’t know whatsoever, but if we’re talking about like actual art the only thing that comes to me is Keith Haring, which is super basic but I always appreciated the way he used line work and the different avenues he brought his art into and the awareness he was able to spread by doing so, but that’s the only one that comes to the top of my head.  

 

I think it’s funny when you talk about art history, it kind of reminds me of like the equivalent for musicians of like the moment when they go I don’t know shit about music theory. 

 

Yeah! That’s kind of exactly what it is but in some way I feel like you’re able to be a little bit freer without it. You don’t have the prior knowledge of expectations and things like that that can be held kind of around that. I’ve taken a humanities course and that’s about it, it’s just not really for me.  

 

What’s the biggest piece you’ve ever done? 

 

I made this humungous canvas that I sold at a show like last year or something. It wasn’t huge huge, but it was like I don’t know like two feet or something, maybe bigger, maybe smaller. There’s this piece I’m working on that I’ve been working on for a while that’s somewhere stuck here in this apartment or in my car that doesn’t move that’s like the top of a playground structure that we found out in Battle Creek that the playground was completely decimated and I spray painted that and I’ve been drawing on that but I haven’t figured out what I want to do with it so I haven’t done anything with it yet because mounting that for anyone is going to be such a pain, but I still have because I’m like there’s a reason I picked this up and been doing things for it.  

 

That’s cool to use other materials to do that work on instead of just your classic… paper.  Pen and paper yeah or like a canvas or whatever.  I was going to ask if your smallest one was your small canvas library painting? 

 

I did a smaller canvas than I had there that I sold a while ago that was 1 inch by 1 inch or something and just mini canvases that was fun for shows.  

 

What piece has sold the most for you?

 

Yeah, it’s like a specific photo print I have that’s like mostly black and white with just a little bit of red and yellow in it that I can think of at the top of my head. That’s probably one that I’ve sold the most.

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Ever since I made my stickers though those have been pretty popular so I feel like that will be a pretty big thing but I just haven’t been at shows to sell them so people don’t really know I have them I made like a sticker sheet that has some individual stickers on there, that’s fun, but yeah I just got to figure out a way to kind of work that in. 

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I think it’s awesome how you definitely do have a style that is recognizable because I’ll see stickers around town and I know they’re your stickers and I think that’s so epic and I’m trying to figure out what exactly about it specifically makes it Carl. I don’t know for sure myself.  

 

I cannot confirm nor deny where those stickers came from, but I don't not know I think a really noticeable thing about my art is how free and open it is and that’s so cliche but it is its just like super abstract and a lot of people said that my color choice is really distinct so maybe a combination of those things.  

That checks out to me. 

 

It is fun to put those up around house shows and stuff around like venues, I don’t know that’s like a fun little thing about having those. 

 

I have them all over my dashboard of my car.  

 

Nice!

 

So what art form are you least comfortable with? 

 

I was least comfortable with painting for a really long time which is kind of why I made myself work into it. I think I’m not necessarily uncomfortable I’m just more intimidated by using textiles and being able to play with that. I think that it would translate really well. I think just like getting up and doing it is kind of the thing for me and like actually learning techniques instead of doing whatever I want to do and just making sure it's a little bit nicer quality because of that is like important but also kind of intimidating, but yeah painting sucks. I hate painting. That’s why I make myself do it sometimes. 

 

When you talk about making textiles are you specifically talking about designing fabric for clothes?

 

I'm thinking more like embroidery and things like that, when I think of it I’m primarily thinking of more of the embroidery or the art on that I guess aspect. I think actually making clothes would be cool, but I can’t sew very well.  

 

It’s a whole other beast.  

 

I tried to do that since I was a kid it’s not really a skill of mine. That being said, I would love to get some fabric that had my art on it and like figure out something for somebody to make for me. That would be super dope.  

 

What are some of your goals for your work, like what is stuff that you are craving to work on maybe collaborate with people on? 

 

I just want to get more outside of the box and I want to have just a little bit more motivation when it comes to things like that too because sometimes I’ll let things sit for too long and I’d really like to just follow-up on people a little more I guess because I’ve had some people reach out for collaborations and stuff but it's just actually doing it can be a little intimidating sometimes, but I definitly would like to go more in the direction of being more in the community as an artist than I am right now. I feel like right now I’m just kind of Carl and I’d like to be recognized for my art a little bit more, which you know includes me being more out there with it, but that’s kind of like a goal of mine is to have my art a little bit better recognized. 

 

Are you somebody who’d be interested in doing stuff like show posters or somebody asking to use your design on a t-shirt? 

 

I’ve made one t-shirt batches for like I have one for myself that I lost and I made my dad one for Christmas I’ve definitely played in that before and I’ve made a show poster I’ve reached out to venues for that, but I don’t know it just gets kind of tricky sometimes a lot of times people already have that kind of thing lined up or but its definitely something I want to get more into but at the same time recognizing my value as an artist and the value of my time. I just don’t do commissions for free kind of thing and that can be tricky sometimes when you’re working on a community thing and being able to understand your boundaries with that and how you can contribute on something like that.  

 

Is it strictly like how much time you put into a piece that makes it cost the amount that it does? 

 

Not necessarily, because there will be sometimes I’ll put hours and hours and hours of time into something but it’s like if I were to pay myself like what I make at my job hourly, no one would be able to afford that so I still feel like to an extent I undersell myself but I have to in order to make it accessible because I want to make my art accessible it all kind of plays into each other on that kind of thing, I guess.  

 

So whats your favorite kind of, oh wait we talked a little bit about like you like when someone asks you for a commission to kind of give you some direction? 

 

Yeah like soft direction, something simple but like that I can use to guide me a little bit yeah.  

 

Yeah, and then is your favorite commission to do is it that classic kind of like on the paper/markers or-

 

I guess, sometimes I’ll work on canvas and just use like paint pens and those are really easy to play around with, but yeah I guess that kind of style is more what I’m comfortable with. If somebody had a really open ended commission I could maybe try with something else but it is pretty intimidating.  

 

Why create in general? 

 

To have a hobby? To have something to do with your free time to find a different way to express yourself in any means you know, point blank period I mean that’s the best way to express yourself creating whether that be drawing, writing, making music like anything in that kind of vein is super important and can be really healing because you can work on different things on yourself in that way and look at things in a different perspective when you have that kind of creative context around you.  

 

Have you ever collaborated with other artists on a single piece? 

 

Yeah, I’ve done a couple collaborations. I feel like Avery and I have done a collab and if we haven’t we’re working on one right now. Henry Cleveland and I way back when we made a collaboration Owl in a Bucket, limited print run, if you have one pretty cool. 

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I know that I’ve done other collaborations I just can’t think of them. A lot of those also just turn into talks and then both of us don’t have the effort to actually go into something like that, but I’ve definitely have experience with that and like art trades and things like that.  

 

And what makes visual art your medium of choice? What does art do that maybe music doesn’t or writing doesn’t for you?

 

Art just comes easier to me than those other things do, writing lyrics, that’s intimidating. Writing in general can be kind of a lot, but being able for me to just like, oh let’s draw a circle in orange right here and then play off of that or something like that, it’s easier it comes to me easier than those other ones do.  

 

Is there anything that you want to plug or promote of your own stuff, or any events that you’re working soon that people should look out for you for? 

 

Well, always follow me on Instagram or anything it’s @bleachedblossoms or @bleachedblossom if you’re on Twitter. I don’t necessarily have anything coming up soon but definitely keep your eyes out because if I do I’ll spam the hell out of it on my Instagram to let people know that my return is back, but yeah I’m always open for commissions. I do have some art for sale if you ever want to text me and ask me what I have available I can always get back to you in that avenue. That’s pretty much what I got going on right now, hopefully more things to come soon. It’s all kind of a work in progress right now. I’m going to be out of the country for a couple weeks this summer so nothing too stressful then, maybe fall is my grand return we'll see what we have in store I'll keep people updated on social media. 

 

How did you stumble on the Kalamazoo DIY scene? 

 

That’s a really funky story for me actually. I had a friend when I first graduated high school who was going to shows a little bit and she took me to my first show, then I made the connection that a friend of mine who had passed away recently used to go and hangout in the scene and knew some of the people and I kind of was kind of able to reach out to some people that way and meet different people in that way and then Covid happened I definitely took a break for a while and didn’t know if I was ready to come back. Then Neal Truitt reached out to me to vend at a show at their house and that was the first show I vended at and then from there I had a couple people reach out to me for vending opportunities I started to make some friends at that point and just felt more comfortable to go in on my own to shows and stuff like that.  

 

Is there any local artists that you want to bring attention to or shout out their work? 

 

All of them, hang on a second. I’m going to give a lot of people credit right now because I have a list of a lot of local artists that I know on here. Off the top of my mind though, Avery @spam.burgers, they were my vending buddy for a long time, they’re one of my closest friends that’s someone to keep in mind. Who else, Eve @pear_bomb they’re great, their art is very similar to mine. Shane, their username keeps changing but I think it’s @llite.4 or something right now, vivid makes some great art @vid404vox, Phreddie @mysteryflavor makes some great art. Also check out all the other artists on The Void there’s a bunch of really cool people on there, get little bios about all of them and that’s a cool way to see other people in the community so also @psyanoforest they’re not really involved in the house show scene. Amelia, she’s great, she’s super super sweet, really accessible to reach out to for art, yeah. Those are the people at the top of my head that I would want to mention, but I’m sure there’s so many more that I could right now that I’m not thinking of. 

 

Is there anything else you want to share? 

 

I don’t know, hit me up. I do like meeting new people at shows and stuff. I like making new connections and I love meeting other artists too whether it be all different kinds of forms of art. It's just kind of cool to see other people in that community and collaborate but I don’t know just make art, do art, be creative. There’s so many good things that come of that, that would be like my final things to say I guess in this. Yeah, I don’t know I mean it’s helpful for me maybe its helpful for you. It’s kind of cheesy but, whatever.